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		<title>By: Debrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I think at some point (fall 06, maybe), DIW stopped being just a blog, and you think I’m talking about scholarship when I’m actually talking about basic intellectual integrity."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Give me a break.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You cannot find more solid and more basic intellectual integrity than the way KC's operates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why do you think Stuart Taylor---someone who already had enormous experience reporting and writing about significant legal cases on the national scene---asked KC to collaborate on the book with him?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Until Proven Innocent&lt;/i&gt; was a project Taylor initially began; however, after having read and followed KC's blog, he knew that he needed KC's phenomenal work in order to make the book what it is---the definitive story on exactly what was allowed to take place at Duke and in Durham back in the Spring of 2006.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Numerous other bloggers and members of the academy surface on occasion and begin their screaming sessions from the peanut gallery.....simply because they cannot quite accept or understand what a grand piece of work KC has in &lt;i&gt;Wonderland&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;His writing is always a &lt;i&gt;rush&lt;/i&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Granted, it will be a daunting task; however, some really must try to move past their jealousy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I think at some point (fall 06, maybe), DIW stopped being just a blog, and you think I’m talking about scholarship when I’m actually talking about basic intellectual integrity.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>
<p>You cannot find more solid and more basic intellectual integrity than the way KC&#8217;s operates.</p>
<p>Why do you think Stuart Taylor&#8212;-someone who already had enormous experience reporting and writing about significant legal cases on the national scene&#8212;-asked KC to collaborate on the book with him?</p>
<p><i>Until Proven Innocent</i> was a project Taylor initially began; however, after having read and followed KC&#8217;s blog, he knew that he needed KC&#8217;s phenomenal work in order to make the book what it is&#8212;-the definitive story on exactly what was allowed to take place at Duke and in Durham back in the Spring of 2006.</p>
<p>Numerous other bloggers and members of the academy surface on occasion and begin their screaming sessions from the peanut gallery&#8230;..simply because they cannot quite accept or understand what a grand piece of work KC has in <i>Wonderland</i>.</p>
<p>His writing is always a <i>rush</i>!</p>
<p>Granted, it will be a daunting task; however, some really must try to move past their jealousy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/05/adventures-in-wonderland/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I've just seen this now, courtesy of my Sitemeter.  I don't think it's accurate to say I gave you the brush-off.  I thought long and hard about how to answer your e-mail; one of the options involved writing a full-length post, another involved just responding to you privately via e-mail.  I chose a middle course in part because I didn't have a lot of time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The issue for me is this: the Group of 88 erred shamefully in tying a valid and important argument about racism to a court case pending against their own students.  The fact that the case was later proven to be unfounded increases their shame ten times over.  But the biggest slam against them is their failure to apologize now that the truth has come out.  Signing the statement in the first place was bad; refusing to apologize is unforgivable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Against that, we have your criticisms of KC's conduct on his blog.  I'm not denying the validity of many of your arguments, but for me it comes down to...it's a blog.  It's not reflective of his scholarship in any way.  Nobody writes the same way on a blog as they do in their scholarly work.  I certainly don't -- I say stupid things and make idiotic mistakes that I'd certainly edit out in the runup to an article publication.  It's a completely different medium with completely different rules and goals.  I'm more concerned with what made its way into KC's book Until Proven Innocent; one of the reasons I'm reluctant to delve further into this argument is that I still haven't found time to read the book, and probably won't for a while to come.  So what might be the most damning against KC is something I can't comment on because I haven't read it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, regarding your being a Duke professor: I'm not really questioning your integrity, since it's pretty clear to me that you're not close to any of the principals in the case and are responding to what you're reading online and after the fact, but you've got to admit that when a faculty member defends his colleagues' actions over an issue that threatens to tarnish the reputation of his institution, it simply looks bad.  You'd be better served to seek out critics of D-i-W who don't teach at the institution he's attacking, and promote their work; the conflict of interest really detracts from your argument in my view.  Would you be more likely to listen to a Democrat or a Republican who thinks Obama's a great guy?  One has reason to say that even if he doesn't think it; the other doesn't.  Simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Enough meat on my answer now?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;A fine answer. I disagree with a number of the points--I think at some point (fall 06, maybe), DIW stopped being just a blog, and you think I'm talking about scholarship when I'm actually talking about basic intellectual integrity. Those are all things worth clarifying, and I'll undoubtedly do that sometime. But the feedback is greatly appreciated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just seen this now, courtesy of my Sitemeter.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s accurate to say I gave you the brush-off.  I thought long and hard about how to answer your e-mail; one of the options involved writing a full-length post, another involved just responding to you privately via e-mail.  I chose a middle course in part because I didn&#8217;t have a lot of time.</p>
<p>The issue for me is this: the Group of 88 erred shamefully in tying a valid and important argument about racism to a court case pending against their own students.  The fact that the case was later proven to be unfounded increases their shame ten times over.  But the biggest slam against them is their failure to apologize now that the truth has come out.  Signing the statement in the first place was bad; refusing to apologize is unforgivable.</p>
<p>Against that, we have your criticisms of KC&#8217;s conduct on his blog.  I&#8217;m not denying the validity of many of your arguments, but for me it comes down to&#8230;it&#8217;s a blog.  It&#8217;s not reflective of his scholarship in any way.  Nobody writes the same way on a blog as they do in their scholarly work.  I certainly don&#8217;t &#8212; I say stupid things and make idiotic mistakes that I&#8217;d certainly edit out in the runup to an article publication.  It&#8217;s a completely different medium with completely different rules and goals.  I&#8217;m more concerned with what made its way into KC&#8217;s book Until Proven Innocent; one of the reasons I&#8217;m reluctant to delve further into this argument is that I still haven&#8217;t found time to read the book, and probably won&#8217;t for a while to come.  So what might be the most damning against KC is something I can&#8217;t comment on because I haven&#8217;t read it.</p>
<p>Finally, regarding your being a Duke professor: I&#8217;m not really questioning your integrity, since it&#8217;s pretty clear to me that you&#8217;re not close to any of the principals in the case and are responding to what you&#8217;re reading online and after the fact, but you&#8217;ve got to admit that when a faculty member defends his colleagues&#8217; actions over an issue that threatens to tarnish the reputation of his institution, it simply looks bad.  You&#8217;d be better served to seek out critics of D-i-W who don&#8217;t teach at the institution he&#8217;s attacking, and promote their work; the conflict of interest really detracts from your argument in my view.  Would you be more likely to listen to a Democrat or a Republican who thinks Obama&#8217;s a great guy?  One has reason to say that even if he doesn&#8217;t think it; the other doesn&#8217;t.  Simple as that.</p>
<p>Enough meat on my answer now?</p>
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<p><i>A fine answer. I disagree with a number of the points&#8212;I think at some point (fall 06, maybe), DIW stopped being just a blog, and you think I&#8217;m talking about scholarship when I&#8217;m actually talking about basic intellectual integrity. Those are all things worth clarifying, and I&#8217;ll undoubtedly do that sometime. But the feedback is greatly appreciated.<br />
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		<title>By: Debrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reharmonizer--&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that you are just a &lt;i&gt;Daydream Believer&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>It seems to me that you are just a <i>Daydream Believer</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph DuBose</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/05/adventures-in-wonderland/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph DuBose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;He's trying his best to explain--see how he does in &lt;a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1040" rel="nofollow"&gt;extra comments&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He&#8217;s trying his best to explain&#8212;see how he does in <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1040" rel="nofollow">extra comments</a>.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ralph DuBose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph DuBose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[I]t is transparently obvious why you would want to raise the subject of the quality of the discourse:  doing so would lay some concealing smoke over the truly horrible behaviour of some of your fellow academicians.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Apparently DuBose wants to be the poster boy for the point I made a few weeks ago--Johnson and his devoted readers are convinced that they're in a righteous struggle against &lt;a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/03/extremist-factory/#kcreductive" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;those&lt;/b&gt; kind of people&lt;/a&gt;. What's above is an excerpt that gets the essential message across. His entire comment is on the &lt;a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1036" rel="nofollow"&gt;extra comments&lt;/a&gt; page, with a brief response. Just above it you'll find his &lt;a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1033" rel="nofollow"&gt;earlier comment&lt;/a&gt; about how much smarter he is than "my sort."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;He's probably right that "the only people still following this story are the old veterans," and they're not going tire themselves out reconsidering positions that they've been smugly harping on for almost 2 years. Johnson in comfortably insulated in the groupthink Wonderland he's constructed, and he's little more than an intellectual bully anyways--his typical response to a challenge is formulaic bluster and evasion. But even though I'm not likely to find anyone willing to take on my questions, I'm still going to try to keep this comment thread from filling up with harangues about the stuff I'm not writing about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I]t is transparently obvious why you would want to raise the subject of the quality of the discourse:  doing so would lay some concealing smoke over the truly horrible behaviour of some of your fellow academicians.</p>
<p><center><strong>~&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~</strong></center></p>
<p><i>Apparently DuBose wants to be the poster boy for the point I made a few weeks ago&#8212;Johnson and his devoted readers are convinced that they&#8217;re in a righteous struggle against <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/03/extremist-factory/#kcreductive" rel="nofollow"><b>those</b> kind of people</a>. What&#8217;s above is an excerpt that gets the essential message across. His entire comment is on the <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1036" rel="nofollow">extra comments</a> page, with a brief response. Just above it you&#8217;ll find his <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-1033" rel="nofollow">earlier comment</a> about how much smarter he is than &#8220;my sort.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>He&#8217;s probably right that &#8220;the only people still following this story are the old veterans,&#8221; and they&#8217;re not going tire themselves out reconsidering positions that they&#8217;ve been smugly harping on for almost 2 years. Johnson in comfortably insulated in the groupthink Wonderland he&#8217;s constructed, and he&#8217;s little more than an intellectual bully anyways&#8212;his typical response to a challenge is formulaic bluster and evasion. But even though I&#8217;m not likely to find anyone willing to take on my questions, I&#8217;m still going to try to keep this comment thread from filling up with harangues about the stuff I&#8217;m not writing about.<br />
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		<title>By: Debrah</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/05/adventures-in-wonderland/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Debrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The comment Debrah left in response to Elleanor can best be viewed in it's &lt;a href="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2008/04/lubiano-publication.html?showComment=1209825240000#c5268762698717722716" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;natural habitat&lt;/a&gt; (on DIW, that is). I'm hoping that eventually someone manages to respond to one or two of the points in my post.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The comment Debrah left in response to Elleanor can best be viewed in it&#8217;s <a href="http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2008/04/lubiano-publication.html?showComment=1209825240000#c5268762698717722716" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">natural habitat</a> (on DIW, that is). I&#8217;m hoping that eventually someone manages to respond to one or two of the points in my post.<br />
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		<title>By: Elleanor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You won't hear from many that KC has any credibility at all in this matter. Notice that when he wants to build up attention to his now quite repetitive and flailing blog, he goes after the faculty. This is his real issue, and it's a deep animus that extends from his own experiences with tenure. The lacrosse matter was helpful in allowing him to vent. But now, it's a pretty pitiful, pretty petty performance on his part.
You've got him exactly right, and he clearly bristles from the recognition that his agenda is motivated by jealousy and his own academic failings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Actually, I seem to mostly hear from people who think KC is credibility incarnate. Mostly they're not academics, though, and I imagine that's what you meant. But still, it's my impression that there's a contingent of conservatives (like &lt;a href="http://www.erinoconnor.org/about.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Erin O'Connor&lt;/a&gt;) wanting to return to "traditional" academic values who think DIW is the cat's pajamas.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;As I explained &lt;a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/03/extremist-factory/#bigots" rel="nofollow"&gt;elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;, I don't think it's such a good idea to reduce DIW to a personal vendetta.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t hear from many that KC has any credibility at all in this matter. Notice that when he wants to build up attention to his now quite repetitive and flailing blog, he goes after the faculty. This is his real issue, and it&#8217;s a deep animus that extends from his own experiences with tenure. The lacrosse matter was helpful in allowing him to vent. But now, it&#8217;s a pretty pitiful, pretty petty performance on his part.<br />
You&#8217;ve got him exactly right, and he clearly bristles from the recognition that his agenda is motivated by jealousy and his own academic failings.</p>
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<p><i>Actually, I seem to mostly hear from people who think KC is credibility incarnate. Mostly they&#8217;re not academics, though, and I imagine that&#8217;s what you meant. But still, it&#8217;s my impression that there&#8217;s a contingent of conservatives (like <a href="http://www.erinoconnor.org/about.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Erin O&#8217;Connor</a>) wanting to return to &#8220;traditional&#8221; academic values who think DIW is the cat&#8217;s pajamas.</i></p>
<p><i>As I explained <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2008/03/extremist-factory/#bigots" rel="nofollow">elsewhere</a>, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s such a good idea to reduce DIW to a personal vendetta.</i></p>
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