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		<title>By: wumhenry</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2007/12/sense-and-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>wumhenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Points taken.  Perhaps the much-maligned Richard Brodhead is more tolerant than his predecessor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;My point was that it&#039;s sloppy and self-serving to imagine the &quot;Duke administration&quot; as some kind of hive-mind that was the same and so reacted the same in 2001 and 2006. What most obviously changed between one and the other is the president. I didn&#039;t say or imply that either administration was more or less tolerant.
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;If Liestoppers or anyone else wants to get more out of it than some cheap and easy satire, they&#039;ll have to do some research. What Duke official decided to shut down Hull&#039;s web site? Where in the hierarchy did they sit? Who made the decision to put it back up with a disclaimer? How was it justified? What were the relevant policies or regulations, and were they the same in 2001 and 2006? Has other controversial material from a faculty member been banned from Duke&#039;s web site, or had a disclaimer slapped on it? If so, did it all reflect a conservative viewpoint?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points taken.  Perhaps the much-maligned Richard Brodhead is more tolerant than his predecessor.</p>
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<p><i>My point was that it&#8217;s sloppy and self-serving to imagine the &#8220;Duke administration&#8221; as some kind of hive-mind that was the same and so reacted the same in 2001 and 2006. What most obviously changed between one and the other is the president. I didn&#8217;t say or imply that either administration was more or less tolerant.<br />
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<p><i>If Liestoppers or anyone else wants to get more out of it than some cheap and easy satire, they&#8217;ll have to do some research. What Duke official decided to shut down Hull&#8217;s web site? Where in the hierarchy did they sit? Who made the decision to put it back up with a disclaimer? How was it justified? What were the relevant policies or regulations, and were they the same in 2001 and 2006? Has other controversial material from a faculty member been banned from Duke&#8217;s web site, or had a disclaimer slapped on it? If so, did it all reflect a conservative viewpoint?<br />
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		<title>By: wumhenry</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2007/12/sense-and-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>wumhenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of FIRE, according to a message posted in Liestoppers a couple days ago it intervened to good effect in another culture-war skirmish at Duke back in 2001.  Liestoppers points up what seems to be a glaring inconsistency in the Duke administration&#039;s reactions to Hull&#039;s message versus the &quot;Listening Statement.&quot;  Was the Hull incident on your radar screen?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;excerpt:
&quot;In October, 2001 Duke shut down Duke Professor Gary Hull&#039;s webpage after he posted an article calling for a strong military response to the terrorist attacks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;FIRE ... took the case to the media. Shamed by widespread pubilicity, Duke reinstated Hull&#039;s webpage but required that he add a disclaimer stating that the article did not represent the views of Duke.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Contrast this to Duke&#039;s reaction to the 88&#039;s Listening Statement.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Beyond reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-hooligans-find-duke-boo-boo.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the post on Liestoppers&lt;/a&gt; I haven&#039;t looked into it, but the earlier incident seems like a case of FIRE doing what, according to its mission statement, it&#039;s supposed to do. Quite likely the different reactions are indicative of Duke&#039;s liberal leanings, but as it stands its a lazy and sloppy comparison between Hull and the lacrosse case. &quot;Duke&quot; and &quot;Duke&#039;s administration&quot; don&#039;t react--the people in Duke&#039;s large administrative bureaucracy react. Between 2001 and 2006 a new president came and I expect that many other jobs changed hands, too.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of FIRE, according to a message posted in Liestoppers a couple days ago it intervened to good effect in another culture-war skirmish at Duke back in 2001.  Liestoppers points up what seems to be a glaring inconsistency in the Duke administration&#8217;s reactions to Hull&#8217;s message versus the &#8220;Listening Statement.&#8221;  Was the Hull incident on your radar screen?</p>
<p>excerpt:<br />
&#8220;In October, 2001 Duke shut down Duke Professor Gary Hull&#8217;s webpage after he posted an article calling for a strong military response to the terrorist attacks.</p>
<p>&#8220;FIRE &#8230; took the case to the media. Shamed by widespread pubilicity, Duke reinstated Hull&#8217;s webpage but required that he add a disclaimer stating that the article did not represent the views of Duke.</p>
<p>&#8220;Contrast this to Duke&#8217;s reaction to the 88&#8217;s Listening Statement.&#8221;</p>
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<p><i>Beyond reading <a href="http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-hooligans-find-duke-boo-boo.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the post on Liestoppers</a> I haven&#8217;t looked into it, but the earlier incident seems like a case of FIRE doing what, according to its mission statement, it&#8217;s supposed to do. Quite likely the different reactions are indicative of Duke&#8217;s liberal leanings, but as it stands its a lazy and sloppy comparison between Hull and the lacrosse case. &#8220;Duke&#8221; and &#8220;Duke&#8217;s administration&#8221; don&#8217;t react&#8212;the people in Duke&#8217;s large administrative bureaucracy react. Between 2001 and 2006 a new president came and I expect that many other jobs changed hands, too.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Michael in NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael in NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Personally effected?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;As opposed to vicariously &lt;del datetime=&quot;2008-06-03T20:53:38+00:00&quot;&gt;effected&lt;/del&gt; affected. I remembered a better Chronicle article about the experience of the lacrosse team, though: &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/07/19/MLacrosse/Living.A.Nightmare.Lax.Players.Speak.Out-2132857.shtml?norewrite200610182132&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Living a Nightmare.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally effected?</p>
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<p><i>As opposed to vicariously <del datetime="2008-06-03T20:53:38+00:00">effected</del> affected. I remembered a better Chronicle article about the experience of the lacrosse team, though: <a href="http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/07/19/MLacrosse/Living.A.Nightmare.Lax.Players.Speak.Out-2132857.shtml?norewrite200610182132" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Living a Nightmare.&#8221;</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: kelly keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why will you not discuss the effect having 88 of one&#039;s professors sign that ad... at that time... had on the boys and their families?  You continue to de-humanize these students in your need to be &quot;collegial.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Several of the team members talk about the effect of the ad in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dukechronicle.com/news/2007/03/08/Features/They-Found.88.Problems.And.The.Dancer.Was.Just.One-2764970.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article in the Duke Chronicle&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ve linked to several times. The three indicted players were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/11/60minutes/main2082140.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interviewed on 60 Minutes&lt;/a&gt;. There are videos, interviews, statements, and articles all over the web that represent them sympathetically. I&#039;m glad that they can be seen for who they are and not as stereotypes or criminals. I would be delighted to discuss the effects of the &quot;listening&quot; ad with any of the &quot;boys,&quot; their families, or anyone else who was on the scene and personally &lt;del datetime=&quot;2008-06-03T20:51:54+00:00&quot;&gt;effected&lt;/del&gt; affected.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;If you honestly think that my criticism of KC Johnson&#039;s take on the &quot;listening&quot; statement and the Duke faculty is so dehumanizing, then try to think of something more useful to do about it than reiterating complaints and rants that have been made hundreds of times on dozens of web sites. Go humanize them! Write something original and that takes more than 30 seconds of thought!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why will you not discuss the effect having 88 of one&#8217;s professors sign that ad&#8230; at that time&#8230; had on the boys and their families?  You continue to de-humanize these students in your need to be &#8220;collegial.&#8221;</p>
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<p><i>Several of the team members talk about the effect of the ad in <a href="http://www.dukechronicle.com/news/2007/03/08/Features/They-Found.88.Problems.And.The.Dancer.Was.Just.One-2764970.shtml" rel="nofollow">an article in the Duke Chronicle</a> I&#8217;ve linked to several times. The three indicted players were <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/11/60minutes/main2082140.shtml" rel="nofollow">interviewed on 60 Minutes</a>. There are videos, interviews, statements, and articles all over the web that represent them sympathetically. I&#8217;m glad that they can be seen for who they are and not as stereotypes or criminals. I would be delighted to discuss the effects of the &#8220;listening&#8221; ad with any of the &#8220;boys,&#8221; their families, or anyone else who was on the scene and personally <del datetime="2008-06-03T20:51:54+00:00">effected</del> affected.</i></p>
<p><i>If you honestly think that my criticism of KC Johnson&#8217;s take on the &#8220;listening&#8221; statement and the Duke faculty is so dehumanizing, then try to think of something more useful to do about it than reiterating complaints and rants that have been made hundreds of times on dozens of web sites. Go humanize them! Write something original and that takes more than 30 seconds of thought!</i></p>
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		<title>By: FIRE fan</title>
		<link>http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/2007/12/sense-and-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>FIRE fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did the listening statement include an expiration date? What is the statute of limitations on discussing an ad taken out in the campus newspaper and signed by 88 faculty members and endorsed by 5 academic departments? Any signatory who wished to be heard as an individual could have submitted a letter to the editor of the Chronicle instead of fixing his/her name to the statement. Your treatment of the statement follows a pattern you have established here of being as dismissive of other points of view as you claim others have been - &quot;it&#039;s not really the language of lynching, but so what.&quot; The purpose of your posts now seems to be a vilification of KC and a defense of anyone he mentions on his blog as contributing to the mess that is Duke University. I find this insidiously polarizing.  You insult the intelligence of your readers when you argue that the listening statement did not presume guilt and that those who signed both letters were not endorsing this position. Cancel my subscription.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I edited out one sentence of this comment because it made a blatantly false assertion about me.  You&#039;re welcome to criticize as strongly as you want but please don&#039;t make things up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the listening statement include an expiration date? What is the statute of limitations on discussing an ad taken out in the campus newspaper and signed by 88 faculty members and endorsed by 5 academic departments? Any signatory who wished to be heard as an individual could have submitted a letter to the editor of the Chronicle instead of fixing his/her name to the statement. Your treatment of the statement follows a pattern you have established here of being as dismissive of other points of view as you claim others have been - &#8220;it&#8217;s not really the language of lynching, but so what.&#8221; The purpose of your posts now seems to be a vilification of KC and a defense of anyone he mentions on his blog as contributing to the mess that is Duke University. I find this insidiously polarizing.  You insult the intelligence of your readers when you argue that the listening statement did not presume guilt and that those who signed both letters were not endorsing this position. Cancel my subscription.</p>
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<p><i>I edited out one sentence of this comment because it made a blatantly false assertion about me.  You&#8217;re welcome to criticize as strongly as you want but please don&#8217;t make things up.<br />
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		<title>By: MarkRougemont</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkRougemont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I enjoyed this series of posts.  It is good to see a different point of view for a change.  I don&#039;t entirely agree with that review you quoted calling KC&#039;s characterization of the Group of 88 &quot;fiction&quot;.  It does make for a good story however.  My opinion is perhaps only a few of the endorers of that ad actually had any malicious intent toward the accused but were primarily concerned with the issues of sexual assault and racism on campus.  Despite the just causes, they picked the wrong case to promote them.  I also feel that KC has a personal issue with people he views as having similar agendas within faculties everywhere and it is one of his pet issues and he uses the Duke Lacrosse case to further his arguments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The above is just my opinion and again thank you for giving us yours.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Thanks. I&#039;m not quite done but moving slowly.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this series of posts.  It is good to see a different point of view for a change.  I don&#8217;t entirely agree with that review you quoted calling KC&#8217;s characterization of the Group of 88 &#8220;fiction&#8221;.  It does make for a good story however.  My opinion is perhaps only a few of the endorers of that ad actually had any malicious intent toward the accused but were primarily concerned with the issues of sexual assault and racism on campus.  Despite the just causes, they picked the wrong case to promote them.  I also feel that KC has a personal issue with people he views as having similar agendas within faculties everywhere and it is one of his pet issues and he uses the Duke Lacrosse case to further his arguments.</p>
<p>The above is just my opinion and again thank you for giving us yours.</p>
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<p><i>Thanks. I&#8217;m not quite done but moving slowly.</i></p>
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		<title>By: kelly keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;General complaints about the 88 moved to &lt;a href=&quot;http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-442&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extra comments.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General complaints about the 88 moved to <a href="http://reharmonized.an-earful.com/extra-comments/#comment-442" rel="nofollow">extra comments.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drivah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drivah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps people are discussing the &quot;listening ad&quot; ad naseum because the 88 feel its easier to defend than the grade retaliation(s) or openly hectoring their own students in front of other students.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps people are discussing the &#8220;listening ad&#8221; ad naseum because the 88 feel its easier to defend than the grade retaliation(s) or openly hectoring their own students in front of other students.</p>
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		<title>By: Debrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is rather ironic that an obscure band teacher would attempt to label KC Johnson as an &quot;obscure history professor.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;strong&gt;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&#160;&#160;&#160;~&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I never called Johnson an &quot;obscure history professor,&quot; and I&#039;m not a band teacher.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is rather ironic that an obscure band teacher would attempt to label KC Johnson as an &#8220;obscure history professor.&#8221;</p>
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<p><i>I never called Johnson an &#8220;obscure history professor,&#8221; and I&#8217;m not a band teacher.</i></p>
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